During the build-up to the Olympics, I was intrigued to read various guides intended for people visiting the UK during the games, about London and the British. Typically, all of them included the usual stereotypes about British politeness and etiquette, particularly with regard to our propensity to queue and apologise profusely for no reason.
As I pondered the reality of these stereotypes I also started think about how my daily interactions with strangers in São Paulo compare with those in the UK. Are the British really as polite as we’re made out to be? And how do Paulistanos compare? Well, let’s have a look…
London / UK
The British tendency to apologise is indeed an in-built coping mechanism for almost all of our daily social interactions. Believe me, it’s a hard habit to kick and so I often find myself slipping in “desculpe” during most conversations I have with Brazilians in Portuguese.
However, in Britain saying “sorry” is not just about apologising for a personal mea culpa, as we’re also just as likely (and illogically) to do so when others commit them AGAINST us. Thus, if someone bumps into a Brit in the street (or causes some other such heinous crime) it’s quite likely that the victim will apologise just as profusely, if not more so, than the culprit themselves.
The ultimate in politeness you might think?
But, wait, because a British “sorry” can also have a number of other intended meanings, from indicating that you’ve misheard or misunderstood someone to expressing shock or, in a more sinisterly subtle way, to suggest that whilst you’ve understood very clearly what someone has said you actually think they’re an idiot.
As for queuing, it’s certainly up there as being one of the main points in our ethical code for acceptable behaviour in public, a code which also stipulates that you stand on the right-hand side of an escalator so that people can walk past you on the left. Similarly, it’s an unwritten rule that you should allow passengers to get off a train or the Tube before entering yourself.
However, whether or not this is because of an inherent British tendency for politeness is debatable, because: 1) Not everyone follows them (especially after spot of binge-drinking), and; 2) For those that do, failing to adhere to them is effectively tantamount to committing an offence that should be punishable by death – thou shalt feel their wrath.
If you’re one of those people (unknowing tourists aren’t spared) who stand on the left-hand side of an escalator then you can expect to hear a chorus of disapproving tuts (it’s our British way of moaning but without confronting you directly), and if you’re that person who tries to get on a train or Tube before everyone else has departed then don’t be surprised if someone getting off lowers their shoulder into you so that you’re put back in your place – both literally and metaphorically.
So, are us Brits really polite? Or are we just a nation of sarcastic, passive-aggressive, public transport fascists?
You decide.
São Paulo / Brasil
In São Paulo my experience of public etiquette has mainly been restricted to two types of person: those who take the bus and those who catch the Metro or train. It’s likely of course that most Paulistanos use both forms of transport on a daily basis, but this is strange because the etiquette I’ve witnessed on both couldn’t be further removed from one another.
For example, on a crowded bus journey it is not uncommon for someone who is seated to kindly offer to hold the bag of someone who is standing up. This would never happen in London, where talking to strangers – let alone handing them your bag – on any form of public transport is almost as unthinkable as standing on the left-hand side of an escalator.
Secondly, when someone sits down on a vacant seat next to another passenger you’ll almost certainly hear the former say “com licença” (excuse me). This strikes me as being a little unnecessary, especially when it’s the aisle seat, but it’s probably an idiosyncracy linked to the fact that if both seats on a bus are free then most people will choose to sit on the aisle one (a little annoyingly in my opinion), and so the polite latecomer has to clamber over them to get to the window.
Thirdly, Brazilian queues range from the militaristic (at Barra Funda there’ll often be two queues – one to get on a bus and another behind it with people who would rather wait for a seat on the next one) to the non-existent (usually in the street), though in the case of the latter things usually tend to resolve themselves because the elderly, pregnant and children are generally always allowed to get on first by other passengers.
Fourthly, despite being a bit rubbish, buses in São Pauo are generally very clean – to be fair, the same can also be said for the Metro and trains. Thus, despite the limitations of the public transport system no-one litters it like they do in London. Paulistanos, on public transport at least, show a far greater deal of respect for their surrounding environment than Londoners, who often leave their discarded lunch or takeaways on their seats or the floor.
Yet, such good bus etiquette seems odd when compared to what happens on the Metro or train, because every rule in the London guide to Tube and train etiquette is torn up into nice 10cm x 10cm pieces and then pooed upon (before being put in a bin – NOT flushed).
Firstly, when a train arrives many people will push on to the carriage as soon as the doors open, and as a result I’ve seen a heavily pregnant woman and a man with a broken arm (with pins in it) knocked off their feet. Some people will literally run on to a train (especially if there are still seats available) and it doesn’t matter who they knock into or how they beat them to get there, just as long as they can get to that seat first.
The worst thing is that if you are getting off and knock into one of these arseholes they’ll give YOU the look of death, as if it’s a total inconvenience that you’ve got the temerity to want to get off the train. How dare thee!
My worst experience was during one rush hour when as my station approached I finally managed to make my way to the door. As I did so two guys asked me if I wanted to get off and when I replied that I did they laughed and kindly held the doors shut so that I couldn’t get off and no-one else could get on – I had to wait to get off at the next station when the doors finally opened and other people wanted to get off too.
The process of getting on a train can also be complicated, as there are those who’d rather wait (a bit like our militaristic bus stoppers) on a crowded platform than get on a crowded train and get to their destination quicker (in the hope there might be a seat on the next train). This is a rationale I’ve yet to understand, especially as it causes chaos when people from behind try to get past them.
Finally, on the Metro it almost goes without saying that the left-hand side of any escalator is rarely, if ever, left free despite signs on the new Linha Amarela (Yellow Line) encouraging people to do so. Alas, if you’re on an escalator and hear your train approaching then don’t expect to make it in time.
Conclusion
Are the stereotypes about British being politer than other people really true? Are Paulistanos better or worse?
Firstly, it’s important to remember that etiquette or good manners are a cultural and social phenomenon – a good example of this being the difference between a Paulistano who will offer to hold your bag on the bus whilst a Londoner will at all costs avoid even making eye contact.
Secondly, we need to make an important distinction between manners and being nice. As Debretts, the British ‘modern authority on all matters etiquette, taste and achievement’, notes:
“It is an incontrovertible fact that you can be impeccably punctilious about all the trappings of manners – opening doors, pulling out chairs, walking on the roadside edge of pavements etc. – but still be appallingly rude.”
In other words, blindly following social norms doesn’t necessarily make you polite or, more importantly, a nice person.
Thus, whilst Brits may appear polite, because we have an unwritten code of public transport ethics, our enforcement of them doesn’t mean that we are inherently any politer. And in São Paulo, a person who will politely ask to sit next to you on a bus may also be the same person who pushes into you as you get off the train – just because everyone else does.
I guess my point is that being polite should be something you do with the best of intentions, because you think being courteous is the right thing to do as opposed to it being something you think you ought to do.
In that sense, asking whether Londoners or Paulistanos are politer is rather obsolete because I’ve seen plenty of good and bad examples from both. If everyone was just a little more consistent about it then we’d all be much happier wouldn’t we?



As a half canadian that gets the subway everyday in SP. SCREW SP COMMUTERS. Jesus christ things would go so much more smoothly if people just had an ounce of patience and courtesy.
Agree 100%, doesn’t take that much effort does it?
Hi, Andy. I’ve been reading your blog for a long time and this is my first comment. Well, I must confess that people here in São Paulo act like wild animals in the public transport, specially at the metrô platforms. In my view, there’s a complete lack of information and communication from the PA announcer and people do whatever they want. What’s more, dumb people exist anywhere else in the world, not only in São Paulo, so I ask myself why we can’t tame these people? Regards
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I’m not sure about taming (sounds a bit dictatorial to me) but better communication would definitely help. Education is also important.
As you should have already noticed, people here like to blame the poor. But at LINHA QUATRO (the yellow line) is even worse, despite crossing the richest neighborhoods. I really don’t have an answer, but I suppose that it has to deal with the concept that for the paulistanos every public space and every public transport belongs to nobody. That’s why our streets are so dirt and monuments are destroyed and and disrespect reigns at metro stations
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I think your point about Paulistanos not feeling that public space belongs to them is a very insightful one, and also something I’m looking to write about in the future with regards to exactly the things you talk about – pavements, monuments, graffiti, etc.
Andy, it’d be a great subject – public x private – to discuss in your future posts. It’s a huge problem that comes from the colonial period. Don’t miss the opportunity !
Yes, this is something I’m researching at the moment. Will be posting something later this week about SP’s ban on advertising and will write something later about exactly that issue (publc v private).
Well, people … In 1999 in London I experienced odd and unexpected situations in the Tube like:
. escalators didn’t work in Clapton South station and for that reason trains wouldn’t stopped there; so I had to take a bus in Stockwell to reach home; 3 hours (from 7 to 10 pm) in bus stop trying to get in the bus; finally I succeed and felt myself as a pumpkin being smashed among other pumpkins… Unbeliveble …
. a dog peeing in the train
. in the train a girl was reading a book next to the door and blocking it with her legs by streching them – ok the train is empty …
Not to mention the trash along the tracks due to terrorism problem – in that time, IRA. Ok, in Paris you find the same nowadays.
You see ? These behaviours were completely unexpected to me and demystified Londoners & Brits – they’re “normal” people…
Most of us are fairly normal (except anyone who lives north of the river).
The times that I’ve visited São Paulo I’ve always approached the metro with a deal of apprehension. I took the metro during rush hour, and like you, people seem annoyed that I was trying to get off. Its as if they have no sense of the concept that someone needs to make space for them to be able to get on.
Thankfully the metro in Belo Horizonte isn’t as bad as São Paulo.
I really liked Belo Horizonte when I went there. A more tranquil version of SP!
Hello! I am reading your blog since I left my peaceful and quiet Switzerland for SP with my wife, a few months ago. I have enjoyed since then your moaning and wit about your integration here and was afraid that the “Hull” post was the last one (actually, it would have been an excellent end), but the latest posts are as brilliant as always and hit points that all of us coming from abroad can only say “so true!” at every paragraph and have some good laughs. I am thinking about gathering a few anecdotes about my moving to Sao Paulo and making my own blog with illustrations and cartoons…It is incredible that any attempts of the authorities to discipline paulistanos (i.e. big stickers, in front of each door, reminding them to let the people get out before they can step in, or even barriers) have proven useless.
Hi, it’s nice to know there’re a few people who pop back from time to time to check out the blog – I guess I must be doing something right despite my moaning!
I think with the Hull post I was acknowledging that maybe I needed to be a bit more positive about things, but I think you can see that everything is back to working order now…
Anyway, let me know if you put a blog together and I’ll check it out. Cheers!
Hey ! Found you on reddit… I’m from São Paulo. Really nice text talking about here. You were very reasonable and this all true. The most annoying things here are this kind of stuff in public transportation and traffic jam. Keep writing !
Hey, thanks for reading and glad you enjoyed it. I think that as I’ve written more and more posts I’ve become a little more fairer. At first I think I was just moaning about stuff!
Hi. I find your comparison between bus and subway etiquette interesting, however I believe that it can be justified. Now I can’t speak for São Paulo nor London because I have never been to either city (except for general facts I know) but I can compare with my hometown of New York City. Here, we do have some form of etiquette on the subway (i.e. letting passengers off first, standing to the right of the escalators) and of course the lack of etiquette and consideration (i.e. litter, rats, uncleanliness).
But why São Paulo’s subway is cleaner yet a madhouse, while here in New York there is some form of etiquette but unclean, etc…?
Perhaps in such cities as New York and London, we have the freedom to have etiquette because the subway systems in these cities are so massive. New York City, though I can complain all day everyday about what is wrong with this city (being a native), at least is blessed to have a massive subway system operating 24 hours a day / 7 days a week. Here, we have multiple subway lines that can serve the same neighborhood, with express and local trains. So that may be the reason for the etiquette, because at many stations in Manhattan for example, are served by multiple lines. And it would not make sense impede another person’s path in the escalator because your line of choice can be different from mine. Plus, we have the room on the physical platform and train to allow for this etiquette and social efficiency to occur.
Now, with São Paulo, their system is only 1/5th the size of New York City’s yet SP city has nearly double the inhabitants (I would imagine) than that of here. So during the rush hour etiquette is thrown out the window, because everyone is in the same boat (or train for that matter). Only one line may serve a particular region, most people may ride from end-to-end as it would not make sense to travel very short distances in São Paulo, there are not really a express/local service, and there are set hours of operation. My assumption is that if São Paulo had just as many subway lines as NYC or London, then there would less of an etiquette problem. This assumption is further proved by how you described the buses. People form lines to board a bus, another for an emptier bus, priority to the elderly and pregnant, because São Paulo has at least triple the amount of bus lines than that of NYC so because there are so many buses that would render a map useless, etiquette can be afforded. Also, I’m guessing most of the people’s complaints about the São Paulo Metrô is during the height of rush hour and travelling towards Estação Sé. Maybe there is etiquette during off peak and weekends when passenger traffic is less.
Sorry for the long message. Food for thought…
It’s a nice hypothesis but I’m not sure how much I agree.
The pushing and shoving to get on a Metro happens pretty much at any time of the day – weekday or weekend. It’s almost a default reaction not even to think that this might be rude /annoying – like blocking both sides of the escalator.
With buses there’s only one entrance so people pretty much have to form a queue of sorts whereas with the Metro you can pick and choose your door and then go hell for leather. At least that’s my experience anyway.